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Ubuntu - a geek hobbyist distribution - Users - geek hobbyists
PClinuxOS - a Windows migrant distribution - Users - Windows migrants
No. of Windows migrants that log onto Distrowatch > No. of geek hobbyists that log onto Distrowatch
So now hits on PCLinuxOS webpage at Distrowatch > hits on Ubuntu webpage at Distrowatch - hence the result you see on the Distrowatch chart.
No one is tampering with anything (but I wish I have some data to back that up).
The above paragraph has nothing whatsoever to do with whether it’s a good distro or not - a question which I would need a few weeks to decide on.
My question - can’t I put my distro on top of the distrowatch charts automatically by simply making it the default firefox homepage on my install? I suspect the distrowatch site is the victim of a voluntary campaign, like the other polls - just need to set it as a homepage and you’ve got a few hundred hits from supporters every single day. This has resulted in distrowatch causing, rather than indicating, a decent chunk of popularity; People like me looking to take a dip into the FLOSS pool just pick the top name on the list, or whatever they’ve heard people scream about.
Something like distrowatch is not sufficiently large to be a good metric for comparison when this kind of loyalty exists anywhere in the linux community, from anyone.
Get a life, grow up, learn to code and put your time to making a distro better.
If this kind of thing carry’s on I swear i’ll go buy vista out of protest and tell everyone to do the same, new commers take on linux when I mention it to them is that it is full of scholl children fighting.
Someone is tring to put fences up, MS can’t outcode us, can’t out perform us, can’t sue us so whats left, start an internal war and watch them eat each other alive.
Roots in Debian? Roots in Mandriva? God Almighty! Even the "Linux-Lovers" will rip apart if it means they get more blog page-hits. Just go here: http://n.ethz.ch/student/mkos/pinguin.swf if you wanna help us bash Linux.
DistroWatch or Google as a valid barometer? No wonder your Old Mens OS is a distant third. You may as well check if PCLinux or Ubuntu has as many videos or page views on their YouTube.com fanboy numbers; that would prob be more accurate and just as scientific as those nerd sites and their esoteric surveys.
Heres a clue: There are not too many distros for young people, only Old Farts think that. There once was, when you had to install everything. Nowadays the "LiveCD" has delivered you from all that partitioning and installation and young tinkerers can trade them like baseball cards.
Heres a clue: People who work for a living and kids in school don’t care about whether their OS has a Texas/Mandriva Mommy or a African/Debian Daddy. Little Timmy just wants to play KHangman, Jenny wants look up the 1st Amendment on WikiPedia while hiding Kopete in a back window, and Grandpa is playing Frozen Bubble on Level 60.
Heres a clue: standout names like Ubuntu, Mandriva, and Tupac are not something that you hear everyday; yet at least one of them has been dead for a while. PCLinuxOS is a too-plain, corny name and PCLOS is a dumb acronym. Thats why either people don’t remember the name, but most people just call that particular distro "Linux" when they’re telling someone about it; trying to describe its spinning-cube, KDE Beryl NVidia sweetness.
From the looks of some of these blogs on devisive topics with buzz-word hyperbole headlines, PCLinux isn’t the only one concerned with page hits. Linux will be broken up into factions long before M$ will, and according to most judges, M$ is an illegal monopoly. Divide, and conquer... Now, if we could only get a Granny Smith or Red Delicious distro/faction/clique to help us bring down Macintosh OS.
Ever heard of Edubuntu? Me, too; but the multi-district accelerated-learning ACE classroom that I know of uses Windows on half and PCLOS on the other half. They simply won’t renew the Windows license by attrition.
Ever heard of the Christian Ubuntu? Yeah , Well, the Baptist churches’ computer room down the street uses PCLOS exclusively. The same goes for the Boy Scouts computer room; PCLOS only.
See, its not just not-for-profit orgs that don’t want to pay licen$ure fees o Redmond. I know of a few teenagers who visited MySpace one too many times and caught too many bugs for their Windows to work. Those kids are now using PCLOS and don’t have their root password; Daddy does.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE OTHER POSTERS that this demographic has been ignored or THEY have ignored Geekfests like DistroWatch. They only way for them to do a Nerd survey is to put said survey on FaceBook, YouTube, or a family geneology website.
THESE FOLKS DON’T EVEN call the OS PCLOS, they call it "Linux" or "The Computer". They have never heard of DistroWatch, OS Surveys, or Gnome. They do not go down to the Church and search out PCLinux or Ubuntu on friggin’ Google, and you know that. They’re down there downloading Gospel w/ FrostWire for Choir practice, or using OOo to get the newsletter out.
PCLOS works right out of the box; even for the quarterback of the football team and the Capt of the cheerleading squad. You simply don’t have to know how to use a terminal to use, and/or love PCLinux. Why does that make you guys so angry?
I also believe that different OS’s are useful for different applications. I still use the "other" proprietary operating system for certain things. My university, for example, requires me to use M$ Accounting Software. This program cannot be run under any other operating system. Another example: for my business I run a Win Server (mainly for .Net functionality and stability).
As much as I like PCLinuxOS, I refuse to participate in silly little polls that carry the potential to be tainted (like the U.S. election process). The polls don’t mean ANYTHING. Use what you like. Don’t divide the Linux community; that is exactly what M$ likes to see.
Desktop linux surveys show that there are more mandriva users than PCLOS users. This is confirmed by the Lenovo linux survey as well.
If TEX wanted to really improve linux. he would merge with mandriva. These 1 man distros are nothing but pure ego-stroking hubris.
Author Topic: 2006 Desktop Linux Market survey (Read 3433 times)
salman
2006 Desktop Linux Market survey
on: August 23, 2006, 06:35:34 PM
2006 Desktop Linux Market survey from desktoplinux.com: http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/survey/survey.cgi?id=0821200617613
GO! Vote it!
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texstar
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Re: 2006 Desktop Linux Market survey
Reply #1 on: August 23, 2006, 06:37:45 PM
I voted! Grin
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Linux_Fanboy
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Re: 2006 Desktop Linux Market survey
Reply #2 on: August 23, 2006, 08:21:34 PM
Quote from: texstar on August 23, 2006, 06:37:45 PM
I voted! Grin
So did I. Smiley
http://www.pclinuxos.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=58&topic=9233.msg70443#msg70443
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What can you say? They teach them to VOTE when they are very young over there in Texas/PCLos country! YeeHah....:-)
".....Sorry my friend...you’ll never get that in PCLinuxOS Forums. It’s against the rules to post links to any popularity polls...that included the recent DesktopLinux poll. Those posts are removed the moment a moderator or admin finds it per Texstar’s policy.
How do I know? I’m an admin over at pclinuxos.com :) You’ll never see it happen...."
This is a link for the post below where Devnet’s lies are completely exposed!
http://www.pclinuxos.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=58&topic=14219.30
Shame on you for being such a cheap propagandist!
on: March 18, 2007, 07:53:49 PM
http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/03/13/7985.aspx
They have a whole survey and everything... of course, I voted other for distribution and picked PCLinuxOS. Come on guys, let’s vote one more time! This one can change the future!
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Reply #1 on: March 18, 2007, 09:58:48 PM
I think I have voted about 8 times, all for pclos of course. Plan on voting about 10 more times before the 23rd. It looks like that is the date the survey ends.
http://www.pclinuxos.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=58&topic=19807.0
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Topic: Is PCLinuxOS your Distribution of the Year? (Read 2160 times)
devnet
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Is PCLinuxOS your Distribution of the Year?
on: January 02, 2007, 10:32:30 AM
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/forumdisplay.php?f=76
If you think PCLinuxOS is the best distribution of 2006, make sure you vote for it in the LinuxQuestions.org 2006 Member’s Choice Poll. There are many other areas for voting as well.
Enjoy!
PS: Don’t forget to vote for your favorite LiveCD of the year as well! Oddly, my favorite liveCD and distribution matched Wink
texstar
Administrator
Re: Is PCLinuxOS your Distribution of the Year?
Reply #17 on: January 02, 2007, 11:19:22 PM
Quote from: YouCanToo on January 02, 2007, 10:59:36 PM
Hope it is not like when one votes for president here in the US Shocked
Let’s not go there please. Shocked
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Even the main man is at least aware of this call up to vote!
"....URGENT!!!! Go ZDNet now and vote for Adrian K-H to test PCLinuxOS!!!
on: March 05, 2007, 08:23:58 AM
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=298
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes at ZDNet is taking a vote on what flavour of Linux he should sample. Get yourself over there NOW and vote. Do whatever it takes to make him choose PCLOS. This is a chance to get noticed. I’m sure Ubuntu users are moving the goalposts and using multiple IP addresses to force a result.
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Reply #1 on: March 05, 2007, 08:31:02 AM
PCLinuxOS is at 7%. Ubuntu is at 48%. We have a way to go in order to pass them, but we can do it, if we do the voting.
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Reply #3 on: March 05, 2007, 09:44:01 AM
I voted.
11% now.
This forum membership is 6000. we must be able to win that poll!
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Reply #87 on: April 26, 2007, 02:06:08 PM
Voted
1. Ubuntu (38%)
2. PCLinuxOS (23%)
Get voting guys.
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Reply #75 on: March 13, 2007, 11:23:44 AM
as of this post were at #2
i got a bunch of computers so i might get away with a few more votes, but thats kinda cheating
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Reply #76 on: March 13, 2007, 07:28:00 PM
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pffft...all’s fair in love and war [of distros]
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http://www.pclinuxos.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=58&topic=18499.0
I found it quite entertaining to read this thread! hehe :-)
Of course they were removed as we can no longer see them... but.... they were there and I was just responding to your message earlier as well as backing up what I said in my original post. That post was on the pclinuxos.com forums for at least 5 days too.
Now does anyone have links to other so called "Polls" that reflect popularity of a certain Linux Distro?
I should go and put my vote in... :)
Also to note I like the movement of SabayonLinux on Distrowatch. There’s a distro worth looking at...
jips
As I said, the thread was removed when found by moderators and administrators.
There was more than one thread posted and all were removed. Thanks for solidifying my point...we can’t prevent users from posting stuff like this but we can remove it when we find it...which is the policy at pclinuxos.com :) As most moderators are stateside we sometimes miss things posted in the overnight hour but I can guarantee that they are removed ASAP.
@ devnel
The webmaster at reviewlinux.com was kind enough to help backup the ubuntu forum post that says pclinuxos.com forums were announcing from a poster to get out the vote and go to reviewlinux.com. Below you will see the webmasters logs from his CMS software and how it logs the referring url. The webmaster just said that these were a small sample of the many links coming from this post that has disappeared from pclinuxos.com forums
19,2,2007,’208.100.193.119’,’http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=12499.0
20,2,2007,’69.30.181.68’,’http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=12499.0
20,2,2007,’209.214.44.180’,’http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=12499.0
24,2,2007,’86.41.215.76’,’http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=12499.0
20,2,2007,’216.25.190.53’,’http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=12499.0
20,2,2007,’71.38.158.105’,’http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=12499.0
20,2,2007,’80.229.239.122’,’http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=12499.0
Shows date ip and referring url
jips
Go here
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-366327.html
This thread talks about the "Get out and Vote" objective done by PCLinuxOS.Com forums Users. The poster didnt do link correctly but did talk about the many replies that were happening. Maybe this post was removed but it did exist as I saw it.. It was a play by play of watching the vote counter go up at reviewlinux.com for PCLinuxPS.. :) It happened.. :)
All my 2 cents was saying that an organized group can very easily manipulate any poll vote clicks on baners and/or page counts.. to reflect whatever they want.
I am in no way saying anything negative about PCLinuxOS but just sharing my thoughts on how polls and page counters can basically show a untrue measure of popularity.. :)
jips
pclinuxos) and sam. Sam came out way above pclinuxos. So I don’t
know whether google trends can prove much.
My 2 pennies worth...
Sorry my friend...you’ll never get that in PCLinuxOS Forums. It’s against the rules to post links to any popularity polls...that included the recent DesktopLinux poll. Those posts are removed the moment a moderator or admin finds it per Texstar’s policy.
How do I know? I’m an admin over at pclinuxos.com :) You’ll never see it happen.
"Whereas a steady and confident Ubuntu user could care less about adding his/her vote to a poll."
Nice attempt at generalizing. I’m afraid this is the same for all distros though...not just Ubuntu specific ones. This assumption is based on my experience with Linux communities for 12 years now.
BTW, please don’t accuse or insinuate that distros are doing this when you have no proof that they are.
ubuntu linux 64,500,000 hits
pclinuxos linux 1,760,000 hits
It seems to me that PClinuxOS still is far from being as popular as ubuntu.
If you go to a site called reviewlinux.com you will see their totally unscientific poll. Who is leading??
My 2 cents....
vs
google.co.uk/search?q=ubuntu
If you were googling to find out about a distro, look where you’re more likely to end up. You’re about 200 times more likely to click through to distrowatch for PCLOS (and count towards the table stats) then you are for Ubuntu.
You’ve also got the factor of more people knowing what Ubuntu is, so when they pop along to DW to check out what’s on offer and they see this thing called PCLinuxOS at the top of the table, they’re much more likely to click through.
Anyway, I’d be interested to see how the stats panned out if the DW listing position was the same for each query. I think PCLinuxOS would probably be 4th or 5th.
As you say, it’s not a bums-on-seats statistic... It just shows who’s looking at the relative pages on DW. So it’s a valid metric when you use it to talk about pageviews inside DW but a fairly invalid metric for defining which distro has most traction or momentum as plenty of people online seem to be.
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