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I completely agree with the girlfriend...The names in Linus (or Unix for that matter) just don't make sense...and the names *certainly* do not empower the user...I mean, look at GIMP...Yeah, I know what it stands for...it's extreme techno-ese dumbed down to an abreviation, but still...it's *GIMP* Who wants to use a program called GIMP? Especially when they can use PHOTOSHOP! Whoa! What a name!
And again...Evolution...Elm...Pine...Um, yeah...what the heck? How about OUTLOOK! Talk about empowering! nobody feels insecure using OUTLOOK! Names like POWERPOINT and Explorer...all mean what they say! There is no ambiguity. But firefox...what the heck does that mean? Nothing really. Its like someone wanted a domain name but all the good ones were taken so they made one up!
And burning a CD or DVD in Linux? Are you kidding? This is almost impossible if you don't have the burning software installed by an expert before you use the computer!
Someone wrote:
"CD/DVD burning: GNOME + Nautilus + burn:///"
Huh? What the heck does that mean? What's GNOME? What's Nautilus? I can only assume that they are both programs in Linux...so taking that further with the above statement, then burn:/// is another program...where can I find that one?
Anyone ever try and play an ASF file on Linux? Unless you're a guru and know exactly how to manually edit a CONF file, it's impossible! Yeah, I ran the ubuntu library thingy and looked at all the applications there...and even installed a few, but none of them played an asf file.
And how do I take a disk image of my system...and no, I don't want to drop down to a command line and run some archaic "dd" command to do it...I want to see an icon, click on it and do a complete backup, user space *AND* system space backed up completly...I still haven't found something to do that in Linux...
So yeah...everybody here on this list reads this person's problems and we all roll our eyes and say under our breath what a dummy that person is...but we forget...we do this stuff every day...we know what we are doing...we have the patience to spend dozens of hours tracking down a single command variance to get that application running just right...
But most of the people out there aren't us...they are users...and as users, they just want to get the job done...They don't want to modify a screwdriver so it can hammer in a nail...they just want to get the job done..and we forget this
Ed
web/gadget guru
I’ve converted many people as well! Also, the people I convert pay me 50 bucks to do the conversion. I’m in the chicago area. WHY HASN’T ANYONE TALKED ABOUT VIRTUAL BOX. This is virtulization software I use to easy the angst of switching. They can always have windows close by on top of Ubuntu. Come to think of it, windows is better off as an application then an OS ;)
Geez it sounds like you are trying to covert someone to swinging!
My girlfriend uses SUSE & Ubuntu and Win2k on a triple boot machine. She does different things on each. I administer any changes she wants.

I taught her like I teach everyone, as if the new system comes from a designer label fashion house or sports car maker. Obviously different from the MS supermarket system.

And obviously I treat them like a complete newbie with a new wardrobe or sports buggy. They can be the smart one and I the dumb (but sometimes clever) one and they can tell me how to do the basic stuff on the new system, while I show them how to dress up their desktop to kill, or spin their wheels by relinking their software names.

And I fix any problems immediately, saying thank goodness it’s easy to fix and it’s not the other one. And of course I never install on any hardware I haven’t checked as thoroughly as a PC builder would and I find and install software that the user likes using. And I install wine if they are a windows user and pop in a few bits of freeware or programs they are using I can get to run. And finally I set up their keyboard shortcuts for them.

They think I’m great and Linux ain’t bad as well
I succeeded with my girlfriend. She didn\’t exactly switched from Windows to Mandriva Linux because of the QSR VIVO and SPSS apps, (she\’s a sociologist) wich I was unable to find a replacement for. So dual boot it is.
But the thing is that she loves Mandriva.
The way it look and works, it\’s user friendly, it doesn\’t get infected or freezes up.

About the problems with CD burning. On KDE, K3B start whenever a new CD-R is inserted... Not hard to figure out... Maybe the problem in the user interface wasn\’t exactly the INTERFACE...

Greetings.
I fuckin LOVE IT!
Here’s a nice article I read the other day which gives insight as to why people don’t like change... http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2006/09/why_they_dont_u.html
With gnome she would never say "I can’t figure out how to burn a CD"
Slightly OT but:

My parents XP laptop is locked down tight, so tight, that when they moved to broadband, it wouldn’t work. They phoned tech support, who told them to re-install, so they phoned me, and I told them to re-enable two services and all was right with the world again.

When next I went home, to do the obligatory 5 hour update, I found it took me 15 minutes. I ran every check I could think of, it was all still locked down, and everything was up to date. I’d finished configuring this laptop in a car on the way to the airport.

Locking down XP cuts right down on tech support and is a very good idea.
1. It seems the boyfriend is a bit controlling "locked down like a maximum security prison" ... right. Unless she’s into bondage, that’s probably not a good thing.

2. Rather than just straight out choose the distro for her, the boyfriend should have let her take part in the decision-making process. When people make their own decisions, they tend to be more satisfied with the outcome.

3. She didn’t get what she asked for. It seems she asked for "Ubuntu" but got "Kubuntu" instead.

4. There’s a lot of choice with Linux. Perhaps she should try GNOME or Xfce or any of a number of other desktop environments.

5. CD/DVD burning: GNOME + Nautilus + burn:///

6. Maybe she wants to run some other programs that don’t work in linux? Is WINE installed? If her computer won’t run the programs she needs or wants, then it’s useless to her. Of course she would want linux back.
Well, I converted my mother over to linux. Her very capable computer was struggling along one day trying to run the "flying through space" screensaver, which has been around and running fine on computers since at least windows 95. I took pity on the poor thing and installed kubuntu. I installed firefox which she used on windows, evolution, and kde-games for her solitaire. She couldn’t be happier with it. Plus its 1000% faster than the old virused-up windows partition (which i can’t delete just yet, need to recover some data from it)
I wouldn’t force Linux on her. In fact I would just duel boot the PC and let her learn it when she want to. A girl I dated was okay with Linux because it did everything she needed for it to do. That’s really just surf the web, write documents and listen to music.

My Wife LOVES Linux/Ubuntu. He needs a new girl.
Dude, this guy needs to drop his bitchy girlfriend.
My apology sir. I did smile too while I was reading the story, girlfriends can be buggy sometimes.
Try a Gnome based distro next, perhaps?

If you want to stick with KDE though, I would suggest something like Mepis or PCLinuxOS that just steps user friendliness up a notch.
Just to clarify, it wasn’t me who did this... You should remain in your comfort zone as far as an O/S is concerned, whether that’s trying something new or sticking to what you know.

It’s a story from another user that I’ve published because it made me smile.

>DP - ive heard good things about PCLinux05, maybe I’ll look into it anyway.
Personally, I don’t think you should even bother forcing Linux on to her.

Let her run Windows, if she chooses. But make sure you count and note down how many times it goes down, gets infected with something or starts acting funny. :)


BTW...Did you set up a restricted user account for her when you install Windows? Maybe try Sandboxie as an additional layer?



On the other hand, did you carefully guide her through the Linux basics and such? Or did you just throw her into the deep end? (Which could explain her rejection of Linux).

Getting someone onto Linux is no easy task. Carefully guiding them the basics and how to do everyday things is the challenge. The challenge of patience and explaining things clearly. (I know, I’ve converted many people!)
Use PClinuxOS instead, it will give her the best of linux experiences.


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