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I tried PCLinuxOS 2007 after reading your review. And then went for manmath sahu’s blog http://pclinuxos2007.blogspot.com on tweaking PCLOS. Now I have a fully loaded Linux desktop.
I tried PCLinuxOS 2007 after reading your review. And then went for manmath sahu’s blog on tweaking PCLOS. Now I have a fully loaded Linux desktop.
I agree, PCLOS is a great Distro, I’m really impressed with usability except for one BIG BIG thing missing that’s been know for ages already and PCLOS web site does not mention at all:
Fonts look horrible on LCD, period. Your eyes get tired after a few minutes. I dont want to start a debate here about this. Font rendering is a controvertial thing about Linux and one needs to do manual work on this, but a tutorial for the distro would be great to have: Thing is "Hinting" is a TrueType feature that drastically improves the appearance of TType fonts. But there are licensing and patent issues so it is disabled by default in the freetype source and in the supplied binaries.
The thing I dont like about PCLOS is that (unlike SUSE i.e.) this is not explained anywhere, nor there is information about how out of the box freetype library is complied (hinting disabled btw).
To enable this feature, the FreeType sources need to be rebuilt. If you think your fonts look good, and you havent done this yet...Think again.
Fonts look horrible on LCD, period. Your eyes get tired after a few minutes. I dont want to start a debate here about this. Font rendering is a controvertial thing about Linux and one needs to do manual work on this, but a tutorial for the distro would be great to have: Thing is "Hinting" is a TrueType feature that drastically improves the appearance of TType fonts. But there are licensing and patent issues so it is disabled by default in the freetype source and in the supplied binaries.
The thing I dont like about PCLOS is that (unlike SUSE i.e.) this is not explained anywhere, nor there is information about how out of the box freetype library is complied (hinting disabled btw).
To enable this feature, the FreeType sources need to be rebuilt. If you think your fonts look good, and you havent done this yet...Think again.
this is the best distro for the next 2 years for the simple reason compiz and beryl run even onmy intel 915 graphic card with all the features,shame on suse it still cant do the same thing even with open suse 10.2 and with so much support from novell,i hate ubuntu for the reason even in its control panel there are no links to support a dsl connection and no network panel for dsl connections is this a distro for newbies, no ubuntu is not a newbie linux at all then no codeccs at all ,so i had to read the help manual to connect to internet then this connection wasnt connected when i booted back, so imagine when i cant connect to internet then how can i download the codecs,so at last by difficulty i managed to connect but the connection was intermittent again,ubuntu has to do a lot to meet up with pclinuxos,pclinuxos is the best for newcomers,also the ubuntu packaages aare a lot broken up and not stable at all compared to pclinuxos.the only problem for pclinuxos is it doesnot have a businessman like shuttleworth to back him but still texstar with his minimal resources is at his best to provide the best pclinus ox linux,i wish he has a commercial one built from this one with all the codecs installed i have no problem in buying it for a minimal price like upto 20- 30 dollars,its damn good so by this atleast he can maintain his resources he has to make a commercial one to shake the microsoft and apple mac makers.it took me 15 minutes to install and 5 minutes to upgrade and install a firewall and a antivirus vow what a distro,i hope i can contribute to further development by paying 20 dollars and gaining access to the repositories done specially by the pclinuxos team.
I like your review very fair and informative .
There is one thing not mentioned is the fact that after some postings to your friends other review he went to The PCLinuxOS site and asked for opinions on his review when this was given in polite manner he continued to pursue and aggravate until he got what he wanted an angry answer he could post on his site. If he posted the whole forum posting people would see this.
There is one thing not mentioned is the fact that after some postings to your friends other review he went to The PCLinuxOS site and asked for opinions on his review when this was given in polite manner he continued to pursue and aggravate until he got what he wanted an angry answer he could post on his site. If he posted the whole forum posting people would see this.
i completely agree with you "Eduardo": people should stop being unpleasant and instead complement and help each other, afterall, they are all LINUX distros with none really having ALL the great stuff. i personally use Ubuntu, XUbuntu and Puppy all for different reasons. i also want to try out PC-BSD any time soon.
Good review. I found it after installing and using the new PCLinuxOS version this week. Graphics are important, but it was the installation speed, hardware support (my new Samsung monitor drivers were available!), and surprising ease of use that swayed me. I’m working my way off the highly disappointing Vista platform and so far, PCLinuxOS has been both fun and solid as a rock.
pclinuxos 2007 is by far the best in wifi detection/connection. absolutely teriffic. on an ibm r51. fast and stable. have tried puppy-linux 2.1x/’s and dsl 3.x’s but i keep coming back to pclos 2007. great work
i am from india i am a medical profession i started playing with linux 3 years ago ,i have used ubuntu,fedora,suse,mandriva, of all the four i liked i used to use suse 10 as it was the best among them then one day while browsing the net i saw pc linux .93 i downloaded it and started using it . i rate it high above suse for the reason its graphical interface is far better than suse and winxp,and the applications they are damn good and one of the most important it recognized all the hard ware on my computer,i give it the title number one distro of 2007 for the reason it fulfills all the wishes of a average user ,its far less ram eater than suse,for me any distro that replaces suse is the number 1,i hate gnome i love kde and this is the best Linux kde distro .i wish this is a important distro for the third world countries as many cant pay money to buy os software so they resort to piracy,but if such beautiful os software is available then it is damn good for us. linux development and its use in third world countries has great potential .i wish texstar and his gang the best for the next version as this is the best pc linux distro may their work improve with time.i personally give 5 stars to texstar for their work,long live linux distro
mmm.... I guess I missed all the bru-ha-ha about TexStar’s response and apology. But, from my experience in email responses with him and in reading his responses about various distros on the PCLinuxOS forum, I found him to be a gentleman, informative and very helpful. I can only repeat what TexStar says:
"I doesn’t matter which distro you run. They are all Linux!"
As far as personal likes go, I prefer KDE. I tried Ubuntu but quickly soured on it because of GNOME. Over the last 9 years I have run RH, SuSE, SUSE, Mandrake, LibraNet, Xandros, Knoppix, Kanotex, several minor distros, SimplyMepis and PCLinuxOS. As you might guess, I prefered Kubutnu over Ubunutu, but since my preference is for KDE I tend to favor the distro that does three things:
1) recognizes, configures and installs as much of the hardware as possible,
2) uses KDE as the desktop.
3) comes "out of the box" with as many media drivers as are legal.
Anyone who has used Linux for any length of time knows that #1 can change, even within a single distro from version to version. Old hardware is dropped off and new hardware is added, in spurts and tests and more spurts. So someone’s hardware may be detected perfectly in one distro and not another of equal vintage, but with the next release of both distros the situation may reverse itself.
The desktop is merely a matter of preference. KDE has a stronger mime functionality than GNOME and is more Windows like. Since I use Windows at work shifting between WinXP and PCLOS is seamless. KDE itself is undergoing a sea change from QT version 3, on which the KDE 3.x series is built, to KDE 4.x, built on QT version 4, and scheduled for release later this year. So, it may be a year before many distros using KDE get switched over to KDE4.
With the $$$ behind Ubuntu it should do well. And, as a famous person once said, "A rising tide raises all boats." Now that DELL is pre-loading Ubuntu on some of its PCs it is time for Linux fans to put their money where their mouth is and do as much Ubuntu business with DELL as they can, as long as the deal doesn’t turn out to include a stealth Microsoft tax built in. IF a DELL PC can run Ubuntu it most certainly will run PCLinuxOS 2007. The PCLinuxOS forum is a friendly bunch who even answer questions from Windows users, and do so graciously. After all, quite a few Linux users still dual boot with Windows, or run it as a guest OS.
"I doesn’t matter which distro you run. They are all Linux!"
As far as personal likes go, I prefer KDE. I tried Ubuntu but quickly soured on it because of GNOME. Over the last 9 years I have run RH, SuSE, SUSE, Mandrake, LibraNet, Xandros, Knoppix, Kanotex, several minor distros, SimplyMepis and PCLinuxOS. As you might guess, I prefered Kubutnu over Ubunutu, but since my preference is for KDE I tend to favor the distro that does three things:
1) recognizes, configures and installs as much of the hardware as possible,
2) uses KDE as the desktop.
3) comes "out of the box" with as many media drivers as are legal.
Anyone who has used Linux for any length of time knows that #1 can change, even within a single distro from version to version. Old hardware is dropped off and new hardware is added, in spurts and tests and more spurts. So someone’s hardware may be detected perfectly in one distro and not another of equal vintage, but with the next release of both distros the situation may reverse itself.
The desktop is merely a matter of preference. KDE has a stronger mime functionality than GNOME and is more Windows like. Since I use Windows at work shifting between WinXP and PCLOS is seamless. KDE itself is undergoing a sea change from QT version 3, on which the KDE 3.x series is built, to KDE 4.x, built on QT version 4, and scheduled for release later this year. So, it may be a year before many distros using KDE get switched over to KDE4.
With the $$$ behind Ubuntu it should do well. And, as a famous person once said, "A rising tide raises all boats." Now that DELL is pre-loading Ubuntu on some of its PCs it is time for Linux fans to put their money where their mouth is and do as much Ubuntu business with DELL as they can, as long as the deal doesn’t turn out to include a stealth Microsoft tax built in. IF a DELL PC can run Ubuntu it most certainly will run PCLinuxOS 2007. The PCLinuxOS forum is a friendly bunch who even answer questions from Windows users, and do so graciously. After all, quite a few Linux users still dual boot with Windows, or run it as a guest OS.
Well, let’s try posting this again. Curious where it went the first time.
Nice fair review here.
Since you brought up the subject, I will put my thoughts on the other subject. Your friends first version of the review did have a very rushed feeling to it, and his first conclusion that is no longer there was based on his rushed experience with it, and, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, was very poorly done. He stated some concerns, particularly with the installer, when had he taken 2 seconds to look at the install guide those concerns would have been partially taken care of (step by step with pictures for a good typical install and he apparently didn’t look at it). There is no problem pointing out some things that could be improved upon, he is entitled to his opinion, and some points are valid. Partitioning isn’t the best, but it works very well on everything I’ve tried. A regular person should read up on partitioning anyway in order to fully understand what’s going on and the risks they are taking with their data in the first place though. A fair review though would have looked at some of the features of the OS itself, you know, actually trying it out and seeing how it works.
As to the aftermath, most of the comments on his article were posted before Tex said much of anything. Following the comments, he rewrote some of his article, and the conclusion, and deleted many of the comments. I don’t understand why people resort to namecalling and such, or mine is better than yours, but they had some valid points. As to any and all comments Tex made, I can’t speak for him, but his comments in frustration were taken out of context, as has been said more than once. If someone puts something inaccurate in a review, what is wrong with "hammering" the comments with "the truth"?? If something is inaccurate or ignorant it should be corrected, instead of being left alone and ignored. False information being spread around does no one any good. What’s wrong with telling people to post "THE TRUTH" in the comments?? How does that translate into a militant leader?? Your friend is not innocent of making rude comments either, Tex apologized for his, though personally I feel he had no reason to.
I am the one that started the thread on the PCLOS forum. I only stated that there was a review, I never made a comment about it or posted anything afterwards, but I did witness a majority of what went on in both places. Bottom line, in my opinion, your friends first review was rushed just to get something out, and now he is taking comments that were made and taking them out of context, and dragging you with it because his feelings are hurt. Instead of leaving well enough alone, he capitalizes on a statement Tex made, takes it completely out of context, and writes yet another ignorant article (I also seem to remember something in that article about Oli asking for Tex to write him to see about the future of the article, funny, could be mistaken because I don’t see it anymore...). A review should only be done after spending time with something, accomplishing a few tasks, and using some common sense. As an outsider, someone currently using PCLOS and Puppy, formerly Kubuntu for several months, that’s mostly how it looks to me.
Nice fair review here.
Since you brought up the subject, I will put my thoughts on the other subject. Your friends first version of the review did have a very rushed feeling to it, and his first conclusion that is no longer there was based on his rushed experience with it, and, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, was very poorly done. He stated some concerns, particularly with the installer, when had he taken 2 seconds to look at the install guide those concerns would have been partially taken care of (step by step with pictures for a good typical install and he apparently didn’t look at it). There is no problem pointing out some things that could be improved upon, he is entitled to his opinion, and some points are valid. Partitioning isn’t the best, but it works very well on everything I’ve tried. A regular person should read up on partitioning anyway in order to fully understand what’s going on and the risks they are taking with their data in the first place though. A fair review though would have looked at some of the features of the OS itself, you know, actually trying it out and seeing how it works.
As to the aftermath, most of the comments on his article were posted before Tex said much of anything. Following the comments, he rewrote some of his article, and the conclusion, and deleted many of the comments. I don’t understand why people resort to namecalling and such, or mine is better than yours, but they had some valid points. As to any and all comments Tex made, I can’t speak for him, but his comments in frustration were taken out of context, as has been said more than once. If someone puts something inaccurate in a review, what is wrong with "hammering" the comments with "the truth"?? If something is inaccurate or ignorant it should be corrected, instead of being left alone and ignored. False information being spread around does no one any good. What’s wrong with telling people to post "THE TRUTH" in the comments?? How does that translate into a militant leader?? Your friend is not innocent of making rude comments either, Tex apologized for his, though personally I feel he had no reason to.
I am the one that started the thread on the PCLOS forum. I only stated that there was a review, I never made a comment about it or posted anything afterwards, but I did witness a majority of what went on in both places. Bottom line, in my opinion, your friends first review was rushed just to get something out, and now he is taking comments that were made and taking them out of context, and dragging you with it because his feelings are hurt. Instead of leaving well enough alone, he capitalizes on a statement Tex made, takes it completely out of context, and writes yet another ignorant article (I also seem to remember something in that article about Oli asking for Tex to write him to see about the future of the article, funny, could be mistaken because I don’t see it anymore...). A review should only be done after spending time with something, accomplishing a few tasks, and using some common sense. As an outsider, someone currently using PCLOS and Puppy, formerly Kubuntu for several months, that’s mostly how it looks to me.
Thanks for the review. In fairness, though, what Texstar said that he wanted the site to be hammered with "the truth", not with some kind of DOS attack or something. He said that in the heat of the moment, on his forum because he felt indignant about the unfair review. Right or wrong, the post was removed within minutes, and he then apologized to Oli. Oli should have been a gentleman and remove his yellow journalistic entry, but for him it was more important to not have to clean his logs than a hard working man’s reputation.
Good review. It should also be mentioned that the Nvidia driver install doesn’t get any easier than it is with PCLinuxOS. I also like the fact that I can install Grub into the MBR on any of my hard drives. Too many distros do not offer that option IMHO.
I would also note that PCLinuxOS on my system is faster than Ubuntu 64. Which was a surprise to me. Also, I have managed to freeze Ubuntu and other distros up from time to time opening up multiple browsers. folders, apps and etc.. It is extremely difficult to freeze PCLinuxOS up. It is extremely stable.
I would also note that PCLinuxOS on my system is faster than Ubuntu 64. Which was a surprise to me. Also, I have managed to freeze Ubuntu and other distros up from time to time opening up multiple browsers. folders, apps and etc.. It is extremely difficult to freeze PCLinuxOS up. It is extremely stable.
comparing this distro to Ubuntu is a bit unfair because both of these systems shine in their own way....but it depends on your system as to which might work better...and upon personal preference....for my preference, Ubunto Studio 7.04 for musicians is my favorite...but this review is accurate in the parts which state that PClos shines....it is absolutely a well done release.
This distro is not only clean and fast, it has the best wireless recognition and setup utility - up front in the installation - of any of the 20-odd distro’s I went through on my way to this one. I’ve now stopped ’shopping’ around, PCLinusOS does what I need, with minimum setup hassle.
This seems to be a fair and honest review of PCLOS 2007, it mirrors my experience of it on the hardware I’ve used it on.
The insinuation that someone from the PCLOS forum has instigated a slur campaign against a reviewer who made an honest appraisal of PCLOS 2007 causes me some disquiet.
I do wish you would elaborate on this so that the matter could be investigated, please name the people/ person responsible. This is not what we expect of dedicated contributors to this distribution.
But, of course, there will always be less than honest people reviewing Linux distributions and similarly dishonest people responding to them.
I think Texstar has shown the proper response to this kind of situation on many occasions:-
Magnanimity in the face of conflict, forgiveness of nastiness and the desire to improve PCLinuxOS despite the petty mindedness of those who have loyalty issues.
My kind regards,
Stan.
The insinuation that someone from the PCLOS forum has instigated a slur campaign against a reviewer who made an honest appraisal of PCLOS 2007 causes me some disquiet.
I do wish you would elaborate on this so that the matter could be investigated, please name the people/ person responsible. This is not what we expect of dedicated contributors to this distribution.
But, of course, there will always be less than honest people reviewing Linux distributions and similarly dishonest people responding to them.
I think Texstar has shown the proper response to this kind of situation on many occasions:-
Magnanimity in the face of conflict, forgiveness of nastiness and the desire to improve PCLinuxOS despite the petty mindedness of those who have loyalty issues.
My kind regards,
Stan.
The post on Oli’s blog is not typical Texstar.
SimplyMEPIS 32 Release 6.5 Sat, 04/14/2007
Texstar - SimplyMepis 6.5 is a really good release. Im so happy for Warren and crew and wish them much success. Thank you guys for giving such a wonderful gift to the Linux community.
There are many more like this about other distros as well.
SimplyMEPIS 32 Release 6.5 Sat, 04/14/2007
Texstar - SimplyMepis 6.5 is a really good release. Im so happy for Warren and crew and wish them much success. Thank you guys for giving such a wonderful gift to the Linux community.
There are many more like this about other distros as well.
Nice review -- covers the basics about PCLinuxOS and what it does. I think every desktop Linux distribution should strive to acheive these things:
1) Hardware Compatability & Auto-Detection -- if there is another distro out there that can auto-detect some hardware that your distro can’t, you have a big step ahead of you. For wireless cards or uncommon hardware, a simple tool to grab a driver from your hard drive and install it, if no other distro can merely adapt to it out of the box.
2) Multimedia & Plugins - You should be able to go to 99.9% of sites and view multimedia without hassles, out of the box. This including codecs to view almost all of them. Fonts should be decent out of the box as well, and a tool to install 3rd party fonts as well. Newest version of Flash auto-installed and put into your browser, as well as Java and the Java plugin - to work with Firefox and Opera.
3) Software Availability - You should be able to have easy access to a software repository, that includes all apps, technical programs to silly little games on at least a minor level of popularity. Proprietary video card drivers and apps that are only ready-made for RedHat, Suse, and/or Ubuntu distros should be found here. Apps should be updated to the newest solid versions within a month or so of release. The user should not even know what a "dependancy" means -- it’s all about installing or uninstalling with a simple program (like synaptec).
4) DVD Libraries/Win32 files - Utilizing the software availability portion, you should be able to get with just a few clicks of the mouse, access to dvd, mp3, or other patented formats that aren’t technically legal to carry out of the box. You should also be able to get Windows video codecs, fonts, and even certain DLL files to enahance one’s Wine experience.
5) Speed - The distro should come with the basics of what people commonly may use, but it should also not be bloated in running system activites, and should be geared for speed.
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PCLinuxOS has improvements to make, but it’s sitting pretty. I use it because it fits this mold well. Do any other distributions fill ALL of these categories up better than PCLinuxOS?
1) Hardware Compatability & Auto-Detection -- if there is another distro out there that can auto-detect some hardware that your distro can’t, you have a big step ahead of you. For wireless cards or uncommon hardware, a simple tool to grab a driver from your hard drive and install it, if no other distro can merely adapt to it out of the box.
2) Multimedia & Plugins - You should be able to go to 99.9% of sites and view multimedia without hassles, out of the box. This including codecs to view almost all of them. Fonts should be decent out of the box as well, and a tool to install 3rd party fonts as well. Newest version of Flash auto-installed and put into your browser, as well as Java and the Java plugin - to work with Firefox and Opera.
3) Software Availability - You should be able to have easy access to a software repository, that includes all apps, technical programs to silly little games on at least a minor level of popularity. Proprietary video card drivers and apps that are only ready-made for RedHat, Suse, and/or Ubuntu distros should be found here. Apps should be updated to the newest solid versions within a month or so of release. The user should not even know what a "dependancy" means -- it’s all about installing or uninstalling with a simple program (like synaptec).
4) DVD Libraries/Win32 files - Utilizing the software availability portion, you should be able to get with just a few clicks of the mouse, access to dvd, mp3, or other patented formats that aren’t technically legal to carry out of the box. You should also be able to get Windows video codecs, fonts, and even certain DLL files to enahance one’s Wine experience.
5) Speed - The distro should come with the basics of what people commonly may use, but it should also not be bloated in running system activites, and should be geared for speed.
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PCLinuxOS has improvements to make, but it’s sitting pretty. I use it because it fits this mold well. Do any other distributions fill ALL of these categories up better than PCLinuxOS?
Great review. Too bad you had to spoil it at the end with an attack on Texstar, who (rightly or wrongly) you accuse of stirring up hate. Unprofessional and uncalled for IMO. If you have issues with Texstar, keep it to personal emails and leave the readers of your blog out of it. I will no longer visit this blog site again if you cant, at least, do that.
PCLos does deserve a shot at the top spot as it most certainly and definitely IS much better than Ubuntu, although its questionable how it ranks with OpenSuSe because SuSe is much much better than PCLos when put side by side. Beauty and looks only sparkle until just after the install, and then, when all the "issues" begin to crop up, things begin to take on a much more sour experience, which for me unfortunately, is the case with PCLos. It was my first ever distro experience, and im not sorry that it was because after I slaved away for 3 days srait to get things finally working, it was a solid distro.
PCLos does deserve a shot at the top spot as it most certainly and definitely IS much better than Ubuntu, although its questionable how it ranks with OpenSuSe because SuSe is much much better than PCLos when put side by side. Beauty and looks only sparkle until just after the install, and then, when all the "issues" begin to crop up, things begin to take on a much more sour experience, which for me unfortunately, is the case with PCLos. It was my first ever distro experience, and im not sorry that it was because after I slaved away for 3 days srait to get things finally working, it was a solid distro.
Can’t we all just get along...... sorry.
I am glad you decided to use the distro before writing about it. The problem most people had with the other review was the feeling that it was written (quickly) to be the first review only and not to be a useful product review.
I have some live issues that I have not seen anywhere else yet and want to know if it is systemic or an individual fluke.
Overall, I like the final but there should be some (good) games included.
I am glad you decided to use the distro before writing about it. The problem most people had with the other review was the feeling that it was written (quickly) to be the first review only and not to be a useful product review.
I have some live issues that I have not seen anywhere else yet and want to know if it is systemic or an individual fluke.
Overall, I like the final but there should be some (good) games included.
AUTHOR COMMENT
Ok guys let’s count it as water under the bridge now. I wrote a new post about this event specifically:
http://www.seopher.com/articles/pclinuxos_and_ubuntu__communities_divided
So let’s try and focus on the review. The incident over at TPCS was upsetting but Texstar did apologise and acted in a mature way post event, so let’s not make it out to be anything that it wasn’t.
The communities do seem worryingly secular but there’s no real rivalry between PCLOS and Ubuntu - it’s personal preference at the end of the day.
So please, let sleeping dogs lie now.
Ok guys let’s count it as water under the bridge now. I wrote a new post about this event specifically:
http://www.seopher.com/articles/pclinuxos_and_ubuntu__communities_divided
So let’s try and focus on the review. The incident over at TPCS was upsetting but Texstar did apologise and acted in a mature way post event, so let’s not make it out to be anything that it wasn’t.
The communities do seem worryingly secular but there’s no real rivalry between PCLOS and Ubuntu - it’s personal preference at the end of the day.
So please, let sleeping dogs lie now.
Hi All,
What is all this fuss with regard to the review of PCLOS2007 over on thepcspy.com, eh? I had no idea that freedom of speech was outlawed on the internet! C’mon fellas, it is an Operating System at the end of the day, he didn’t insult your mother/wife/girlfriend/granny/sister/religion/country (delete as appropriate), now did he. I use a variety of Linux distro’s and even the dreaded one from Redmond (the XP version not that "distant view" one) and they all have their faults, believe me I work with them day in, day out as an IT techie.
If we as a community are really going to get a much broader acceptance and take up of our OS, the comments expressed above about hammering his blog, just goes to show that we are a small narrow minded bunch with nothing better to do than throw stones at each other because someone happens not to like something that others are passionate about.
He is entitled to his opinion, if you don’t like it and feel moved to vent your disappointment, why not make constructive comments to the author expressing why you like the distro and what you think its strength and weakness’ are instead of calling him names and "hammering" his blog.
What is all this fuss with regard to the review of PCLOS2007 over on thepcspy.com, eh? I had no idea that freedom of speech was outlawed on the internet! C’mon fellas, it is an Operating System at the end of the day, he didn’t insult your mother/wife/girlfriend/granny/sister/religion/country (delete as appropriate), now did he. I use a variety of Linux distro’s and even the dreaded one from Redmond (the XP version not that "distant view" one) and they all have their faults, believe me I work with them day in, day out as an IT techie.
If we as a community are really going to get a much broader acceptance and take up of our OS, the comments expressed above about hammering his blog, just goes to show that we are a small narrow minded bunch with nothing better to do than throw stones at each other because someone happens not to like something that others are passionate about.
He is entitled to his opinion, if you don’t like it and feel moved to vent your disappointment, why not make constructive comments to the author expressing why you like the distro and what you think its strength and weakness’ are instead of calling him names and "hammering" his blog.
It is bad that it comes up that way. People are people. No one is without their flaw. The choice of words used in critiquing a distro can lead readers and users of those systems to be defensive. It takes a certain level of professionalism to write a review. Sometimes, the reviewer gets carried away and the end result is something that sounds crude or attacking to a distro.
I’ll say lets end these barrages now. Both distros are excellent, feature rich and almost very comparable. They serve the same purpose and are both innovative and easy to use in my perspective as I use both distros constantly, and equally..
Personally, it fluctuates on which is better. They are both equally great. Case close.
I’ll say lets end these barrages now. Both distros are excellent, feature rich and almost very comparable. They serve the same purpose and are both innovative and easy to use in my perspective as I use both distros constantly, and equally..
Personally, it fluctuates on which is better. They are both equally great. Case close.
i never had to use the konsole this time,everything was just a click away:mounting ntfs disks with read/write capabilities,using ndiswrapper,and of course installing and configuring ATI driver,and last but not least :BERYL.everything just works on my laptop.
I used kubuntu and mint linux,the closest to pclinuxos was mint,but no ATI,no BERYL :(
I used kubuntu and mint linux,the closest to pclinuxos was mint,but no ATI,no BERYL :(
Well.. I must say I need a fast.simple. distro for work and home.
ubuntu is all that but not really fast and some apps become buggy lets not get into that.
PCLOS in the other hand, small community, great distro. just makes it happen.
I dont bash, but the distro(S) I like are PCLOS, Arch, U/Kubuntu, Sidux .
They have their good and bad.
ubuntu is all that but not really fast and some apps become buggy lets not get into that.
PCLOS in the other hand, small community, great distro. just makes it happen.
I dont bash, but the distro(S) I like are PCLOS, Arch, U/Kubuntu, Sidux .
They have their good and bad.
Why do we have to keep fighting and saying horrible things each other? Why do we have to say that our linux distro IS THE MOST AMAZING THING OF THE WORLD? Why so much flame in a strong and increasing community that were supposed to keep working together in order to spread the spirit and the benefits of opensource software around the world? Why????????
I tested PC Linux OS and I think it’s really amazing. The distro looks really good and works very well! I’m a Ubuntu user but I have no reasons to "hate" the ones who doesn’t like my favourite distro. Ubuntu is still my favourite because it’s the perfect combination between a wonderful linux system with a wonderful window manager. I simply love the result (Ubuntu + Gnome), but PC Linux OS is a wonderful distro too! We, linux users, were supposed to be very glad because we are lucky to have so many WONDERFUL OPTIONS to control our desktops and laptos, while windows users only have one poor option! Ubuntu, PC Linux OS, Linux Mint, Fedora, Open Suse, Mandriva, Sabayan, Mepis, Debian....... ( so much flovours of wonderful Linux System) are all excellent and do the best to satisfy their user and fans. Please, let’s stop with flames and fanboyisn (from all distro users). Let’s get together and tell everyone that using Linux (all the wonderful distributions we know) is an excellent option to replace proprietary operational systems! Please, thnk about it!!!!!
I tested PC Linux OS and I think it’s really amazing. The distro looks really good and works very well! I’m a Ubuntu user but I have no reasons to "hate" the ones who doesn’t like my favourite distro. Ubuntu is still my favourite because it’s the perfect combination between a wonderful linux system with a wonderful window manager. I simply love the result (Ubuntu + Gnome), but PC Linux OS is a wonderful distro too! We, linux users, were supposed to be very glad because we are lucky to have so many WONDERFUL OPTIONS to control our desktops and laptos, while windows users only have one poor option! Ubuntu, PC Linux OS, Linux Mint, Fedora, Open Suse, Mandriva, Sabayan, Mepis, Debian....... ( so much flovours of wonderful Linux System) are all excellent and do the best to satisfy their user and fans. Please, let’s stop with flames and fanboyisn (from all distro users). Let’s get together and tell everyone that using Linux (all the wonderful distributions we know) is an excellent option to replace proprietary operational systems! Please, thnk about it!!!!!
Shouldn’t all blogs everywhere, on every subject, be hammered with the truth, instead of spin and FUD? Interestingly, Texstar regretted even this adonition, and took it down, and apologized to the other reviewer. Again, he shows class.
Your friends review I felt was the review from someone whose favourite distro is Ubuntu.
I think Ubuntu is a good distro and deserves it’s popularity, however I prefer PClinuxOS 2007 because I prefer KDE to Gnome.
Some of the comments on blogs about both distro’s aren’t always friendly. Both distro’s do have some flamers unfortunately; but that’s as a result of both being popular.
At the end of the day, I consider both distro’s better than XP or Vista. For me that is more important than whatever flavour of linux you prefer.
I think Ubuntu is a good distro and deserves it’s popularity, however I prefer PClinuxOS 2007 because I prefer KDE to Gnome.
Some of the comments on blogs about both distro’s aren’t always friendly. Both distro’s do have some flamers unfortunately; but that’s as a result of both being popular.
At the end of the day, I consider both distro’s better than XP or Vista. For me that is more important than whatever flavour of linux you prefer.
Your review skipped the actual installation details. In my case it became unbootable and also destroyed the mbr so that the other operating system I was Dual booting would not boot either. Obviously, The partitioning process is not as straightfoward as you portray. Ubuntu gets it right every time. I had no such problems with Ubuntu or LinuxMint.
Thanks for the nice review. I don’t mind that it’s short and simple, because let’s face it, the better the distro the fewer "issues" there are to report.
Shame that the discussion has centered around "the other" review. The way I read your friend’s review was that he was using the release of PCLOS2007 to plug Ubuntu. And it was pretty transparent.
But less of that, this discussion is about PCLinuxOS. And, in truth, it does work well, it’s easy to install and maintain, has a lot of "appeal" and it’s hard to think of much else to say about it!
Shame that the discussion has centered around "the other" review. The way I read your friend’s review was that he was using the release of PCLOS2007 to plug Ubuntu. And it was pretty transparent.
But less of that, this discussion is about PCLinuxOS. And, in truth, it does work well, it’s easy to install and maintain, has a lot of "appeal" and it’s hard to think of much else to say about it!
"leader of PCLOS instructed loyal fans to "hammer" his site" is inaccurate and out of context. You have unwittingly bought the troll bait that your friend (either intentionally or not) is peddling.
This makes it sound like Texstar is inciting an attack. If we read the capture your friend posted, we can see that Texstar suggests that PCLinuxOS users "hammer their blogs with the truth." I see absolutely nothing wrong with this -- especially since I’ve seen a lot of disinformation being spread about PCLinuxOS -- presumably by Ubuntu fans. Unfortunately, some of the less sophisticated Ubuntu fans are trolling and some of the less sophisticated PCLinuxOS fans are feeding the trolls -- or, in some cases, "counter-trolling.". But, in Texstar’s defense, requesting fans to "hammer... blogs with the truth" doesn’t seem like such an unreasonable response to me.
This makes it sound like Texstar is inciting an attack. If we read the capture your friend posted, we can see that Texstar suggests that PCLinuxOS users "hammer their blogs with the truth." I see absolutely nothing wrong with this -- especially since I’ve seen a lot of disinformation being spread about PCLinuxOS -- presumably by Ubuntu fans. Unfortunately, some of the less sophisticated Ubuntu fans are trolling and some of the less sophisticated PCLinuxOS fans are feeding the trolls -- or, in some cases, "counter-trolling.". But, in Texstar’s defense, requesting fans to "hammer... blogs with the truth" doesn’t seem like such an unreasonable response to me.
To all of you people that have commented on this review and keep saying things like "I really don’t think Texstar wouldn’t do something like that. I don’t know where you get your info...etc etc etc.."" Did any of you even check out the LINK that the reviewer posted? It explains the whole Texstar fiasco and provides proof to those who want to assume it was all just made up out of thin air. To the people I’m referring to, maybe try taking a deep breath and reading thorougly before jumping to conclusions about the reviewer? I know how some people can often get all wound up and hysterical over someone criticizing (*gasp* the nerve of some people!) their pet distro, but jumping the gun and throwing a hissy fit without getting your facts straight first doesn’t cast your distro’s community in a very good light. It just comes across as igniorant ïgnore the facts" fanboy-ism. For the record, I AM a PCLOS user : )
Why not all of us just sit and enjoy our prefered distro? I mean, i read this reviews and sometimes i download and test what was reviewed, but my personal opinion is just mine, if i don’t like it i delete it period, that’s all, no need to destroy it publicly. Now, if i had a blog like yours i must say there is no windows killer distro yet and every distro has bugs and problems you can write about them... but... why bashing so hard? i don’t like ubuntu nor gnome for many reasons and i xpect my readers to condescend with me so the developers could addres them...but your friend’s review was so childish that made me think: what’s going on with this guy? instead of telling his readers the problems they may encounter he prefered to bash it with so little. 98% of my clients don’t even dream some time to install windows by themselves, and you have to make a partition process too as you know.
Just do great reviews, say your conclusions, mention the bugs you encountered, where they can improve, where they are great at, but first, do it with professionalism...and take a few days :-) (that’s for all the reviewers)
Just do great reviews, say your conclusions, mention the bugs you encountered, where they can improve, where they are great at, but first, do it with professionalism...and take a few days :-) (that’s for all the reviewers)
I have no problem with a "just" review. Your friend bashed a fine distro because he did not like the partition tool in the installer.
I, too, highly doubt that the Pclos developer encouraged anyone to respond to your friend. I have followed this distro for a couple of years now, and it, and Texstar are class acts.
These Pclos people work very hard to bring us an exceptional operating system.
Your friend has lost much credibility in the linux world due to an unjust review and censorship of the comments.
Your review is way too short but at least it is fair.
I, too, highly doubt that the Pclos developer encouraged anyone to respond to your friend. I have followed this distro for a couple of years now, and it, and Texstar are class acts.
These Pclos people work very hard to bring us an exceptional operating system.
Your friend has lost much credibility in the linux world due to an unjust review and censorship of the comments.
Your review is way too short but at least it is fair.
Rebuttals were deleted from the comment area if they did not go with your friends opinion.
I’ve been using PCLOS .93a since it came out. I installed PCLOS 2007 today. The install had the same problem the live CD had, which I finally worked out. The Ethernet setup was not correctly picking up DNS server IP’s from the DSL modem. It’s odd, because the settings all seemed to be identical to those in my .93a setup. So, I had to enter DNS numbers manually in the Ethernet setup, and turned off getting them from DHCP.
The only other distribution I occasionally play with is Puppy. It does work, and I admire the spirit, though its a bit light for my general needs. But, the new Puppy release worked well today, as usual. The Ethernet setup picked up my DNS numbers just as it should.
Like others here, I have to wonder if you really got correct information on the supposed campaign against your friend. Texstar has been pretty classy in my limited forum reading of the past. For example, he reportedly dissuaded users from orchestrating a run on the Distrowatch numbers. And, that other review was hardly something to get exercised over
The only other distribution I occasionally play with is Puppy. It does work, and I admire the spirit, though its a bit light for my general needs. But, the new Puppy release worked well today, as usual. The Ethernet setup picked up my DNS numbers just as it should.
Like others here, I have to wonder if you really got correct information on the supposed campaign against your friend. Texstar has been pretty classy in my limited forum reading of the past. For example, he reportedly dissuaded users from orchestrating a run on the Distrowatch numbers. And, that other review was hardly something to get exercised over
Exactly-of all the so called "user-friendly" distros around PCLOS has given me the least
amount of problems period.2007 is a killer distro-except for games and overclocking apps
I have no more need for XP[much less Vista].
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amount of problems period.2007 is a killer distro-except for games and overclocking apps
I have no more need for XP[much less Vista].
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I too was offended by the obvious negativity of the review done by your "friend." Onhthe other hand, you like PCLinuxOS and you were quick to point that out. I posted a comment to your frineds article, but for some reason it was not displayed.
I read the PCLinuxOS forum posts every day. Somehow, I must of missed Texstar’s purported instructions. Perhaps you would care to point out where they reside?
regards,
-dc
I read the PCLinuxOS forum posts every day. Somehow, I must of missed Texstar’s purported instructions. Perhaps you would care to point out where they reside?
regards,
-dc
I liked your review. PClinuxOS 2007 really shines. I do have something to say about your comment regarding your friends review on PCLinux2007. He deserves it. I too hammered him and I was in no way instructed my Texstar to do so. I never read any of his forums but use PCLinux and it is my favorite distro. Whenever I conduct linux camps, PClinux is the distro always liked. No comments if you like a friend who pens down lies.
HOW EVER tehy really need a knock along the side of the head when it comes to people who are Not "elite"
They need to learn and to work with people of disabilities as some just want answers, To band a person because she or he can’t spell or use a search to find what they need is by far the worse thing you can do to a person.
Also with that note :
To be able to ban or kick at will with out provocation leads me to believe that they think that they are better then "others"
To make good soft ware is one thing to insult a person intelligence with degrading remarks like, Perhaps a mac would be best suited for you, is not only derogatory and demeaning it is also abusive and is discriminatory in nature .
My Message is this, if you make the software public you had better be ready for the masses from all walks of life because if you can belittle them and degrade them then you disrespect the product and the community you are trying to promote.
My review :
Software : B
Support : D
Recommendations :
Grow up, Learn to deal with difficult people that have a different learning curve.
And I probably will be permanently band from the support channel as well as the caht channel after posting this review.if So Ill be back and make an addition saying .