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I agree with manmath after reading his blog http://pclinuxos2007.blogspot.com. Right, PCLinuxOS Gnome version will be on the block soon to conqueror the ubuntu base for all the good reasons.
Balanced review but Ubuntu falls next to PCLinuxOS. Visit http://pclinuxos2007.blogspot.com to know why. PCLinuxOS Gnome version will be on the block soon to conqueror the ubuntu base for all the good reasons.
I installed it last night from a DVD from the Linux magazine. I am impressed by how simple the installation was. However, I need kppp to connect my usb wireless modem to the internet and it is not on the DVD. Is there a similar program by another name?
hi there..

To any linux user out there: If you think buntu < or derivatives> are going to attract the kind of userbase it needs to compete with windows and offer those using it a viable and ’useable’ alternative then your not only delussional , but likely stonned out of your brains. As noted earlier people ’want it to work out of the box’ and not have to fiddle with manual install ( if you even known about it or where to find it ) of ’NONFREE SOFTWARE’ . That is the reality , and if you dont get it , you aren’t in touch with the actual goals of linux which was made by linus for a ’free’ alternative’ not because ALL OF IT MUST ALWAYS BE FREE; I agree with prior poster, in saying that all you will succede in doing is driving people ’back ’ to windows where all those things are automated for its lucky userbase. We all ’get’ the idea of OSS, but to say it should be used to exclusion of non OSS when that non OSS is the only real deal going atm ( feel free to write your favorite vendor instead of being activist jerks to people who just want a useable, free, stable OS ) , is not only ignorant but also mean spirited and infantile at best.

So often I see RTFM attitudes ( deal with OUR way or go BACK to windows where you belong bitch! ) which is terribly indicative of nasty viscious thought processes, with little regard for anyone else but their own zealotry to the exclusion of anything else. That is what happens with zealotry it overcomes its self worth, to the extent it shows what small minds its spewing from.

I am just so sick honestly of a good OS being overrun by zealots whom care only for this latest OSS ONLY attitude, and if you dont fit in that mindset then your worthless. Wake up and smell the roses, because Sam, pclinuxos and other OS’s will destroy this simple mindedness really quick, and I can’t wait to smell the freedom it brings back to linux.

I want to leave on a positive note, because while I see these things as bad omen, I do see good in buntu mindset. I do hope other distros leading the way with ’out of box full useability’, will also consider very needed things like NTFS R/W ( of course not mandatory but hey ), and auto crash handling reporting ( which sends report for you after choosing ’yes’, cause face it linux needs solid bug reports made easy for non techie types ) .

have a wonderful day now.

COJ
As for propietary and non-free drivers/software - if you’re so horny for that then why aren’t you using windows? Because that’s what Windows is - non-free and proprietary. Ubuntu wants to be a completely free (and free as in "speech" not free as in "beer") distro. Feisty introduces the option to easily install non-free drivers, but I heartily agree that non-free drivers shouldn’t be default on new installs simply because the whole idea is to take a stand AGAINST non-free software.
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what a ’asshole’ish comment yourself..pot calling kettle black dear?

use your brain instead of your ’red’ -neck maybe ? ;)

..did it ever ’occur’ to you maybe that those proprietary ( while I agree at least over the long haul will be gone in lieu of free standards BUT my dear that day is NOT TODAY>.HELLO!!!!!!! ) ’standards’ that exist atm are because not enoug people are wriiting websites asking for ogg/theora or whatever is deemed free enough for all you zealots who think stuffing OSS OR BUST to vendors is their necessary modus operandi??

yeah right get lives...

chow baby


cya!

DaveMC: Mint and Mepis are both Ubuntu derivatives, you do realize that right?
DaveMC: I’m sorry that you’re a stupid asshole. My apologies for you not using your brain.

Why doesn’t *Ubuntu have what you call "full functionality"? Because most of the crap that you refer to as "full functionality" is still in early alpha-stages! They are not ready for production-use, and I think that while most people like new and somewhat bleeding-edge the priority should be that stuff should be stable. Sure, all that crap you’ve tried might be stable enough for you, on your computer - but that’s not a guarantee that it’ll be stable anywhere else in the world. Hence, Ubuntu and its siblings prefer to scale things back in order to present a stable experience to the user.

My guess is that you’re the kind of asshole who shouts "LOL OMFG A NOOB!!!" every time you see someone who doesn’t recompile their kernel every time a new one comes out.

As for propietary and non-free drivers/software - if you’re so horny for that then why aren’t you using windows? Because that’s what Windows is - non-free and proprietary. Ubuntu wants to be a completely free (and free as in "speech" not free as in "beer") distro. Feisty introduces the option to easily install non-free drivers, but I heartily agree that non-free drivers shouldn’t be default on new installs simply because the whole idea is to take a stand AGAINST non-free software.

But then again, your attitude indicates more that you’re a Linux-user because you want to be superior to everyone else and writing those inane little comments about "M$" and dissing every distro and every user who doesn’t do things exactly like you do.

It’s people like you who give free software-users a bad reputation.
kubuntu feisty with beryl - since herd4 with better bluetooth support than other os - and even vegastrike runs smooth on top, and this on a 1.7laptop.
- i have no more wishes
Cant help but agree with the above comments. The Buntus are far far behind the real leading distros like PClos, Sabayon, SimplyMepis, Mint, and SuSe which have full functionality included on a full install. The Buntus shy away from what they call "non free" software like video drivers LOLOLOL!!

Best thing to do at this point in the game is to avoid showing new users this distro as it will likely drive them back to M$’s loving, yet ever hungry arms. Instead, use one of the other mentioned above distro’s so that they can see what a truly good distro is capable of. Please, Buntu folks, do the Linux world a favor and either step up to the plate or put the bat down.
to nanotech: Canonical offers support for Ubuntu
While I kind of like *Buntu, we are still looking at SuSe (SLES/SLED10) for company use. OpenSuSe is rather nice and in use on several laptops and desktops for continual testing. From a business perspective support is key and it really doesn’t matter on the proprietary driver issues; we want Linux to work, time is money. RedHat has priced its self out of our market (CentOS is in limited use though) so the only quality "Commercial" distro is SuSe (though we did test Xandros Server and Business Desk 4 was rather nice, support was something else though)
I downloaded and installed it on Thursday. A nice release, although I think PCLOS is still going to be the better release this year. We’ve got Gutsy Gibbon to come in 6 months though!


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